here is some advice for you. Never shoot a fat man in a fur

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 22:34 (8 days ago)

coat with a 45 ACP hollow point. More later.

Like hitting a bear, just enough to piss him off.

Rsim
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 05:54 (7 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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Wednesday evenings Colleen goes to dinner with one of her

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:08 (7 days ago) @ Rsim

lady friends who raises Jack Russells too. On the way home about 8:30 or so a bear ran out in front of her and she wiped him and her new Nissan Armada out. She called me and as we live about 3 minutes from there I jumped in the truck and drove over. The bear was a neat black faced, cinnamon body male bear weighing about 250, which is about average for around here.

The bear was still alive and standing on the side of the road when I got there. He was hurt, with a broken shoulder and blood coming out his mouth. I knew I needed to put him down where he was as if he decided to run off in the woods there could be lots of problems with a wounded bear. Colleen was about 50 feet off to one side so I tried to angle myself to the side of the bear so any shoot thru rounds wouldn't hit her. I eased up to about 10 feet of the bear to try to get a shot at his head or neck to put him down. I didn't have enough light to even see the sights at all. While I was trying to get where I could see him and my sights another truck pulled up and gave me some light. The fellow started to get out of his truck and asked what it was. I told him it was a bear that my wife had just hit. He really quick got back in his truck. He helped out by telling me about 20 times "don't get too close" and "I think you are too close, he could charge you" and so on. But his headlights gave me at least a full view of the bear. I still couldn't see my sights other than a faint image in the glare of the headlights off to my right. I carry alternating rounds in my PD, first a JHP, then a 230 ball and so on. My first shot hit him just in front of the shoulder as he was thrashing around snapping at his shoulder. There was no reaction to that shot at all. Nothing. I hit him again about the same spot with the 2nd round. This one was ball ammo and he reacted big time to that standing up for a second and swiping at anything in range. I was about 6 or 8 feet away so I was out of range plus he had the trucks headlights in his eyes. I don't think he ever saw me. He settled back down on all fours and still growling and snapping at his shoulder. I hit him with the third shot again a JHP and again no reaction. I was trying to get a bit closer to be able to put one in his head when the highway patrol showed up. The young patrolman got his M-16 or AR-15 out of the truck and when the bear stopped his thrashing around he put one in the bear's head ending it. After the bear stopped moving I eased up to see if I could see where my shots hit as I never could see my front sight due to the darkness. There were 3 holes in his right side, 2 behind the shoulder and one on point of shoulder. Plus the one on the side of the bear's head.

The patrolman asked us if we wanted the bear to have it mounted but I passed on it. The impact from Colleen's truck had scrapped a lot of fur off on one side plus he was still shedding his winter fur plus we have 3 bears mounted at home and one big one at the shop. So we dragged him out of the roadway and up behind a group of pine trees.

All in all it could have been a lot worse. Her Nissan Armada got a lot of damage to the front and right side but that can be repaired. Nobody was hurt and that was a good thing. Another thing that came from it is now I wonder if JHPs are the way to go in a 45 auto. Obviously they did no damage to the bear whereas the ball ammo at least made him show a reaction to the hit. So now I need to maybe do some testing, plus think about night sights. A front night sight would have helped things a lot. Lots of thinking to do.
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james
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:43 (7 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Gary, If all that action happened on a Wednesday night.. what the hell are your Saturday nights like??? Good no one was hurt besides blackie...

up here in the woods you never know what you will see

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:54 (7 days ago) @ james

a couple of years back I hit a big bull elk and almost destroyed my Expedition. So it was Colleen's turn.

gary that brought some questions to mind for me too. I have

charlie A
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 12:06 (7 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

been carrying a lightweight commander in 45 for years with JHP rounds in it. I never thought about the possibility of having to use it on someone in a heavy coat or a person with a lot of body fat. Dang, now I, like you, have to do some serious thinking. I also like you, don't have night sights. That poses a problem too.You have probably cost me a lot of money.

now you've done it. Like you I carry a lightweight

Jim creasy
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 12:20 (7 days ago) @ charlie A

45 acp with JHPs in it. Now I wonder if that is the way to go. Good thing is it gives me a reason to buy another gun.

I think we all plan on the optimum assault, which

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 13:00 (7 days ago) @ Jim creasy

would be being attacked by a naked skinny guy. Unfortunately it doesn't always give us the little edge we need to come out on top. I think last night's fiasco is a reminder that "shit happens". So I am seriously looking into other options including retiring my Star PD. Never thought I would even say that. But the 45 ACP JHP completely failed me last night and if that bear hadn't been hurt and had been 100% and ready to fight things could have turned out differently. I have always sworn by the 45 ACP but maybe it isn't optimum for self defense. Maybe there is a better way to go. Over the next couple of weeks I plan on finding out.

So are you staying with a semi -auto?

Jk
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 13:26 (7 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

10mm? Right now what platform and cartridge you thinking about?

Glock 48

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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 14:31 (7 days ago) @ Jk

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Back in the 90's when I was a reserve deputy

Grover Sr
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 17:07 (7 days ago) @ ?

I carried my 629 Mountain duty gun in a high ride belt holster when off duty. I wore a tee shirt with an unbuttoned short sleeve shirt for concealment. I am thinking the short barreled 429 GNR could be carried the same way. Definitely not light as a Glock but you get accustomed to the weight. I guess a 10 MM 1911 eould be a good option too.

For those of us with no backside...

Frank Simon
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 18:38 (7 days ago) @ Grover Sr

Suspenders?

Yup

Grover Sr
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 18:58 (7 days ago) @ Frank Simon

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nah, then I would look like WB

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 19:28 (7 days ago) @ Frank Simon

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when I was a youngster, about 100 years ago, there

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 21:44 (7 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

was one thing that shouted out "OLD OLD". Those 2 things were suspenders and hearing aids. These days I am not so sure I was right.

I don't really know. I have carried this PD since 1978

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 17:56 (7 days ago) @ Jk

so changing is going to be a problem. I can't go with something heavy like my Brute in 429 as much as I like that gun, as I have no ass and it would pull my pants down around my ankles. I told Nate and Robert let's build a couple of special 1911s in 10mm and see how that works. I want a lightweight 1911 that weighs about the same as my PD and right now it seems like 10mm is the way to go. The Glock 48 is a great choice but I am so used to a 1911 style pistol that it would be hard to do a change that radical, plus it is a 9mm. In the meantime I will try to stay away from fat guys in fur coats.

Thats why I have a Kase Reeder 10mm 1911 and

Woody
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 18:58 (7 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

one of Gary's 10mm longslide 1911's. Better medicine than a .45acp for both 2 and 4 legged critters if you want to carry an auto.

Thats why I carry a .357 and .41+ in the woods.

Sid R
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Friday, June 14, 2019, 03:56 (7 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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Back in Jan. I bought a Nighthawk Commander 10mm

Rsim
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Friday, June 14, 2019, 05:30 (6 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

And I shoot it often. Pricey, but extremely accurate and reliable. Bought a carry holster for it, heavier than the Glock, and single stack 9 + 1. But I know it will get it done.

Pic of Nighthawk 1911 10mm Commander

Rsim
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Friday, June 14, 2019, 06:35 (6 days ago) @ Rsim

Round ball ammo has made a lot of kills

Grover Sr
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Thursday, June 13, 2019, 11:17 (7 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Both human and four legged. I have a lot of it that I carry in my nines

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