More info on the 38-44....

Huey
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Monday, February 11, 2019, 14:40 (191 days ago)

I've researched this a while. JT always has some great input. But, I've learned to listen to WB too.

I'm sure like most ancient cartridges, there are many variations.

In this photo the 38-44 had a Small Primer and the Super 38 Special (same principle, different name) had the Large Primer.
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38-44 Load Data...

Huey
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Monday, February 11, 2019, 14:55 (191 days ago) @ Huey

This is no peep squeak round...
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When the .357 Magnum arrived

JT
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Monday, February 11, 2019, 15:17 (191 days ago) @ Huey

Keith found his .38 Special bullet #358429 was too long to use in the short-cylinder Smith & Wesson when crimped in the crimping groove. So he just On using his Heavy .38 load of his bullet over 13.5 grains of #2400. This load is hotter than many .357 Magnum loads today. It is also what was used to fire the long-range targets in the 8-3/4" .357 Magnum in Ed McGivern Book, "Fast and Fancy Shooting". Phil Sharpe said Elmer's load was at 42,000 psi. I covered the .38-44 and the Smith & Wesson Outdoorsman sixgun in American Handgun or September/October 2008. It was entitled "Who Needs a Magnum?"

I have that article saved as well and multiple copies...

Huey
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Monday, February 11, 2019, 15:21 (191 days ago) @ JT

Of the Phil Sharpe book. Had so many, I sent Gary and Sean each a copy.

I certainly won't push my Trail Gun hard. Have some pressure tested loads and will consider 30,000 psi max.

Have complete confidence that Gary's crew can pull this off in a big way.

I used to have some old .38-44 HD brass pieces mixed up

WB
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Monday, February 11, 2019, 15:54 (191 days ago) @ Huey

in a can. I'll look for them. I thought they were "W-W 38-44 HD" marked? Sort of spoiled your stride when you were priming cases and a primer just fell out! It is just an interesting sidebar. I see no advantage over a small magnum primer. But it would be interesting to test with some powders. Where'd I put that old can of #80....

This level of shooting is about all I want for serious pleasure shooting. Much beyond that and I need to be either mad or scared!

The little single-five I ended up with in .400 cal. does great with a 180 gr. at 1300. The larger bore spreads out the psi over more "I" to get the performance at less pressure than a smaller caliber. It has 10% more area in the diameter. I'm going to drop to a 175 gr. SWC at around 1000-1100 fps and an even lighter load.

I'll use the sturdy Starline Brass in 38 Special...

Huey
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Monday, February 11, 2019, 15:59 (191 days ago) @ WB

I just color the back of the case with a red Marks-a-lot to distinguish from standard liads. Also label any out of the ordinary ammo with Red Labels. I refer to it as Idiot Proof...

I DUPLICATED KEITH'S #$80 LOADS--HE

JT
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Monday, February 11, 2019, 18:49 (191 days ago) @ WB

WAS RIGHT ON THE MONEY.

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