Gary, I read the post below showing the 585 Nyati and other

Charlie Anderson`
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Wednesday, January 09, 2019, 12:47 (130 days ago)

big caliber stuff for dangerous game. I know you shot a big Cape Buffalo with the 450 GNR (or was it the KNR?). Where does the 450 sit in the line up?

I just bought a .450 GNR barrel...

WB
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Wednesday, January 09, 2019, 14:42 (130 days ago) @ Charlie Anderson`

It is a .50 AK necked to .458". Far left in that line up, necked down. IN a 14-16' handgun or carbine barrel you reach a point where it cannot burn any more powder efficiently. You hedge your bets by going with a little quicker burn, maybe a heavier bullet, but you still have limits. It's lots hotter than a .45-70 from the same platform. You can load it about as hot as a man can stand, hurt yourself. I'm using 340-405 gr. bullets for my loadings.

The .450 KNR is the .470 Nitro (big long boy in that line-up) necked to .458". Kase had the idea and it is a little better for hotting up compared to the .450 Nitro Express. It's a whole different step up from the .450 GNR, and is intended for carbine and rifles. You'd smack your forehead in a handgun!

I agree mostly with WB, but the point of no return

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, January 09, 2019, 15:16 (130 days ago) @ WB

is not what the gun can do but what you can handle. I had no problem getting a 500 grain bullet up to 2000 fps. The problem was keeping it in my hand at that speed. The recoil was pretty rough. But I had the 2000 fps in mind for this hunt and I knew more than likely if we spotted the big Cape Buffalo that John Abraham, my friend and PH had seen several times I could handle the 2 or 3 shots needed to put him down.

I also wanted to try out the new DGE Dangerous Game Expanding bullets and the DGS Dangerous Game Solid bullets, both new from Hornady that Steve Hornady had sent me. I loaded up some of each and ended up using 2 of the DGE bullet. At about 45 yards the big Buffalo was facing me at a slight angle and was hit just above the point of the shoulder. it put him down but he managed to get back up. John told me to hit him again, which I did, on the opposite side. That put him down for the count. In the pic below the entrance of the first bullet is seen above the point of shoulder. The second shot was on the other side.

In theory I could possibly have duplicated the 470 Nitro Express, which is a 500 grain bullet at 2150 but whether I could handle it was the problem. I think the gun and scope would handle it but not so sure about me. So I settled for 2000 fps with the 500 grain bullet.

Either way I was extremely happy with the buffalo. John said he would rank #1 or #2 with SCI. He ended up being the #1 free range Cape Buffalo in the Safari Club rankings and #3 overall, which is the rankings of rifle, handgun or bow all together. I couldn't ask for more. And with my luck Colleen will shoot one bigger when she goes to Africa in 3 months. But that's OK too. She is taking her 458 rifle with her, so who knows.
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Man I just can't handle it, too much for me.

WB
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Wednesday, January 09, 2019, 15:45 (130 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

About a 400 gr. at 2000 fps is my limit in a 6 lb. pistol, with scope, complete rig. I actually prefer about 1900 fps and figure that would do about anything for me. I shoot a 260/270 gr. in .378 at 2250 all the time in a 5 lb. rig, but that extra weight bullet really bites me. The 500 gr. at around 1700-1800 is all I want in an Encore handgun.

Trail Boss pushing it 1000-1200 is easy and it still shoots through about anything. The trajectory is very loopy at much over 100 yds. though, that's where the extra speed and sectional density come into play.

I'm not sure if I'm a sissy, or just getting old. I have to really be mad at something (or scared) to hit it that hard anymore.

Guess you best stand back from my 505 Gibbs.

Woody
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Wednesday, January 09, 2019, 16:00 (130 days ago) @ WB

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Were it a handgun, YES!

WB
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Wednesday, January 09, 2019, 17:11 (130 days ago) @ Woody

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the 505 in a good rifle isn't bad. I saw kase shoot almost 2

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, January 09, 2019, 17:50 (130 days ago) @ WB

boxes of it just screwing around one day. The 500 Jeffery has a bit more punch as it shoots a heavier bullet at the same speed as a lighter bullet in the 505 but neither one is enough to make your eyes water.

Dangerous game

Alcorn
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Thursday, January 10, 2019, 06:09 (129 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Agree with Gary. Take the most you can shoot accurately and get off a follow up shot. I went with a 416 Taylor in an encore. The 400 gr. bullet at 2050fps did the job. I took john Abrahams advise. Used a soft for the first and solid for all follow up shoots on my buff.

for those not familiar with the 450 GNR. It is

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, January 09, 2019, 16:31 (130 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

shown below with a 45-70. The 450 GNR on the left with a Hornady 500 grain solid.
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nutty gun writer

okie
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Wednesday, January 09, 2019, 16:35 (130 days ago) @ Charlie Anderson`

If I remember right that nutty gun writer helped John Linebaugh out quite a bit in the publicity department! There was no looking up stuff on the internet back in the days so that's how I kept up with stuff, I've held onto those old magazines like keepsakes since I was a kid.

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