Gary I would like to point out the obvious

Blake
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Saturday, June 09, 2018, 14:40 (68 days ago)

And ask a question. The 30/40 Krag case volume is right between the 30-30 Win and the 405 Win, and a rimed case to boot. Would think it would be a very good volume for the TC G2 platform, and yet nobody has rounds based on the Krag. Dose the Krag case have some inherent flaw that has kept it from exploitation?

I thougt the Krag was just a shorter .405

WB
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Saturday, June 09, 2018, 14:57 (68 days ago) @ Blake

For the action lengths. The Australians have tons of stuff on the .303 case. About everything that can be done to it.

I just about have to use a rimmed case. The .30-30 based rounds have reasonable capacity for the handgun barrel lengths and brass is cheap! Variations in thickness of the rim is crazy, so I allow for the thickest. They headspace off the shoulder anyway. The big rim is for extraction.

How is the .30/40 variation in rims? I have only two boxes of 30 yr. old brass I use in my 1896 Military rifle.

The Krag headspace on the rim so it should be consistent

Blake
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Saturday, June 09, 2018, 16:26 (68 days ago) @ WB

But it doesn’t mean it is. Hornady just made a run of it and it’s still available all over. Haven’t bought any yet to see. But it’s hard to get any better than Hornady.

30-40 Krag

Alcorn
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Saturday, June 09, 2018, 17:47 (68 days ago) @ Blake

The Krag case is thin. Not so many reloads, only drawback.

Ackley Improve it and they last just fine.

bigboar
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Saturday, June 09, 2018, 18:02 (68 days ago) @ Alcorn

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I have had different experience with the 30-40 case...

Huey
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Saturday, June 09, 2018, 20:55 (68 days ago) @ bigboar

Its very strong. In fact, if you read P.O. Ackley's book he states the case is very strong and easily holds pressures equal to the belted magnums.

Many of these facts stem from the loose chambers in early rifles. Ditto on the 30-30 case. The springy 94 action and loose chambers ended reloading prematurely.

The ancient cases I have worked fine.

WB
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Monday, June 11, 2018, 08:17 (66 days ago) @ Huey

I did not try to load them anywhere close to hot. My gun is a original 1896 Krag with a 29-30" barrel.

I have had many .303 British rifles. One did have a headspace issue and after 2 loadings the brass would come in two just ahead of the web. I found that LEE Enfields have replaceable bolt heads that are numbered as to the headspace. I believe "0" through "4" or so. Forget which way it runs but you'd think the higher number the longer/tighter the headspace.

Boy try finding that, a one number bigger bolt head for a SMLE #4 MKI. But I pulled it off and fixed the gun. It was very satisfying.

But, it was a gun problem, not a brass problem...

Huey
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Monday, June 11, 2018, 10:28 (66 days ago) @ WB

I have several 30-40 Krag Rolling Blocks and a Ruger #3.

Brass lasts forever in a good chamber.

Have heard same rumors about 30-30 for decades. Have a 25-35 Ackley that brass has been loaded 14 times without a single loss. Bet my 355 GNR will do the same.

Oh and the Krag’s rim is thinner than the 405

Blake
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Saturday, June 09, 2018, 16:41 (68 days ago) @ WB

And has a beveled edge to the rim. And the Krag is a few thousand smaller at the base too. But pretty close to a short 405 for sure

I’ve wondered the same thing Blake, the

Brent Foy
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Saturday, June 09, 2018, 16:27 (68 days ago) @ Blake

Case capability is close to the 308 Winchester.

back in the late 80s and early 90's there was a fellow here

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, June 09, 2018, 21:41 (68 days ago) @ Blake

in Flagstaff that was building custom TC barrels. He was using 223, 30-40 Krag and 303 British brass. I was told (2nd hand info here) that he had a lot of problem with cases bulging badly with any somewhat hot load and separating at the base with both the 30-40 and 303.

It was sort of a strange thing. He died while he was here in Flagstaff. His wife contacted us to see if we wanted to buy a lot of barrel blanks and lugs he had, which I did. She shipped them all the way to Florida to us. The odd thing was less than a year later we moved out here from Florida and I had forgotten that the fellow we got the barrel blanks and stuff from had lived here until folks started coming in with his barrels, wanting muzzle brakes, rechambering and such. Some of those barrels were 30-40 and 303 barrels that had been rechambered into his own calibers.

At the time I had no idea who he was as I had never heard of him, and the custom TC builders can be counted on the fingers on one hand.

He was loading duplex and triplex loads in them and they were pretty hot. I won't say that is why I never went with either brass but I had the 405, 348, 44 magnum and 30-30 brass at that time (early '94), and J.D. had his 444, 225 and 221 Fireball brass that was his thing, so I saw no reason to branch out into brass that was weaker than the 405 I already was using. Now I have gone sorta nuttier than a squirrel turd and added the 204 brass, 22 Hornet brass, 445 Super Mag brass, 50 Alaskan brass, 45-70 brass, 475 Maximum brass, 357 Maximum brass, 454 Casull brass, 475 Linebaugh brass, 500 Linebaugh brass, 460 S&W brass, 500 S&W brass, 25-20 brass, 32 H&R brass, and 577 Snider brass. And I have probably left one or two out. So I think I will pass on the 30-40 and 303 brass.

Cool thanks for the informative. Nice little history lesson

Blake
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Sunday, June 10, 2018, 04:58 (67 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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