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Monday, September 02, 2013, 10:48 (359 days ago)

Just getting started reloading for my 6 shot .410 GNR Stealth Hawk. Has anyone tried Lil'Gun with this cartridge? I also have H110, AA#9 and 4227. I have Nosler, Hordady & Sierra 210 gr JHPs and 250 gr WFNGC LBT, 240 gr LFNGC bullets to choose from.

Palmer, I don't use Lil Gun in my revolvers...

Huey
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due to the flame cutting and throat erosion. I haven't verified this, but believe Bob Baker has. He is one of the guys to listen to when it comes to revolvers.

There is an abundance of "authorities" out there, but I take a few guys at their word and he is one of them.

WB can probably tell you more about this than I can.

But sounds like you are well on your way to some fun shooting. I have the 410 GNR in a Stealth Hawk along with a 5 shot Ultimate 410. It's a fine cartridge no doubt.

let Gary's manual be your guide

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Monday, September 02, 2013, 11:19 (359 days ago) @ Palmer Triplett

i have a 5.5'' conversion -- in mine AA#9 is much faster- like 3 or 4 grains less than H110-- GNR's load of 29 gr H110 with 250-255 is always good - in mine 31 gr--not a top load - with a 210 shoots very well and runs 1660 in my gun
I have never used LIL Gun
be sure to load them as GNR out lines at the bottom of the start page-- by doing that mine sometimes gives 10 fps ES--very constant

I use a lot of Lilgun

Brian
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In my 445 supermag and my 41 GNR #2 and it gives fine results. Never a problem with it and I never even heard of any kind of flame cutting EVER do to lilgun.

But that is just me.

H110 and lilgun are good places to start.

Best of luck

Brian

That Lil Gun is just awful, I'll dispose of all you have

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Here is what Bob Baker said about Lil Gun in revolvers...

Huey
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Tuesday, September 03, 2013, 06:03 (358 days ago) @ Curt

We have seen numerous barrels damaged by using Lil Gun. According to customers, some had as few as 30 rounds using Lil Gun through them, some had several hundred. Before we figured out what was happening one customer had sent his gun in for a new barrel. Then 600 rounds later it came back for another new barrel.

A couple years ago we did a test with a M83, .357 Mag. using Hornady 180 gr. bullets. We loaded 50 rds. of three different loads. One was a heavy H-110 load and the other two both used Lil Gun in different quantities.

We fired the H-110 loads first, then cut off the threaded end of the barrel. Rethreaded the barrel and shot one of the Lil Gun loads then rethreaded the barrel and shot the last Lil Gun load.

We found even the light load of Lil Gun caused the gun to get extremely hot. The heavy Lil Gun load had the gun so hot the only place we could touch the gun was on the grips and they were very hot.

Under magnification the surface appeared to have heated to a point of flowing using the Lil Gun loads and the heavy load was worse than the light load. This is probably due to Lil Gun having about 10% more nitro glycerin in it than H-110.

Bob Baker

Yep, I've talked to Bob personally about this and he's very

WB
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Tuesday, September 03, 2013, 09:30 (358 days ago) @ Huey

scientific in his approach in testing. But my personal experiences, and this is before I found out it was fattening, I fired about two and a half pounds of it in my .41 Magnum Hunter model. Then I sold it to Andy who had Gary re-chamber the factory cylinder to .41 NGR and do his Ammo load development with that gun. THEN I bought it back from him! LOL

I have no clue how and what Andy shot but I'm certain it has been well tested and shot considerably. I have some .41 GNR loads with Lil'Gun and a 255 gr. and 265 gr. and it shoots much better than I can hold. My loads are not hot but about 10% faster than I can accomplish with a .41 Remington and frame busting loads. The .41 GNR is just coasting.

Perhaps that's why it's still accurate, the easy .41 GNR loads. I have not noted any unusual "hot gun" tendency at 500' above sea level and 50-100 deg. F.

The name of the powder kind of implies the design purpose, "Lil'gun". It is the boon of .410 shotshell loads allowing a full 3/4 oz. load in 3" hulls (supposed to equal the 28 bore load) and plenty of speed for the Skeet boys and 2.5" shells. It is absolutely the best in the .22 K-hornet and stellar in .218 Bee (rifles) I've found.

At some point you have to figure what point is it no longer a "lil'gun"?! From Gary's point of view and with the information out from reputable people like Baker I cannot imagine Gary warranty supporting guns damaged and knowingly used heavily with Lil'Gun. I'd sure not expect him to anything of mine! But then again I'm motivated to be totally honest and try to use common sense. I couldn't deal with myself otherwise.

At this point use your own judgement and try to be considerate of the situation. We're all buddies.

I agree totally with all that. I use it in my

Huey
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Tuesday, September 03, 2013, 09:43 (358 days ago) @ WB

22 Hornets, 218 Bees and 25-20 WCFs. I use these guns for varmint hunting and they are shot a lot more than most guns.

I have never experienced any problems with these guns, but believe that is due to the small powder charge and low heat produced by them.

It is quite a different story burning 30 grains of powder and providing extra oxygen with a cylinder gap. Like you, I trust Baker along with a few others and have no intention of taking a chance on ruining any fine revolvers when the information is out there on how to avoid it.

I'd cut free gunpowder with Granny's snuff if it

WB
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Tuesday, September 03, 2013, 13:34 (357 days ago) @ Curt

didn't crater my primers. I can find some use for it. I have a old canister (maybe 5 lbs.) of HERCO that some shotgunners threw at me. It's an odd one, kind of like a bad form of Unique. But done right I do find uses for it. A good Shotgun powder of course. Heck it was FREE!

Like women in the dark, it's all good!

a while back one of the Misfits traded me a 12lb keg of PB

gary Reeder
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Tuesday, September 03, 2013, 14:30 (357 days ago) @ WB

powder. I thought it was going to be one of those powders that had very little use but surprisingly it is used in a lot of handguns. I load a lot of it in 44 Special and 45 ACP. Never throw ANY gunpowder away.

HA! PB, nearly forgot, Alcan w/square flat flakes!

WB
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Tuesday, September 03, 2013, 14:40 (357 days ago) @ gary Reeder

I bought a batch in these little square tea tins. It was great .45 ACP powder and shot lots of .38's using an old 1960's load manual.

this was a big round 12 lb canister of it. But that

Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, September 03, 2013, 15:19 (357 days ago) @ WB

is what the old reloading manuals are good for. I buy every one I see at gun shows off the junk tables.

I would stay with 296, H-110 or AA#9

Gary Reeder
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