A company of "experts" has published a list of 14

Gary Reeder
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Sunday, March 03, 2024, 17:32 (55 days ago)

guns that you should choose from for a self defense handgun. Take a look and post your response. I think there are only 2 that are 45, one that is a 380 and the rest 9mm. Here is their list...
1. Glock 19 If our Navy SEALs say it is the best then....
2. S&W Shield
3. Sig 320 ...because it was chosen as our military handgun
4. Springfield Armory XD-S
5. Ruger LCP-2 ...for the ladies and guys with a man bun
6. CZ P-10C...probably 7 of 10 have never seen one
7. Walther PPQ
8. Beretta 92 FS..sorta hard to conceal
9. S&W J frame revolvers....38 Special only 5 shots
10.FN-FNS-9
11. Colt 1911 45
12. Kahr CW-9 a company that tells you to bring your AR-15 to church
13. Canik TP-9
14. Springfield Armory 1911 EMP If you don't put a death grip on it, it will jam
There you go. What do you think?

Ha! And they are "experts"?

Jim Taylor
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Sunday, March 03, 2024, 18:39 (55 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

They didn't even include the Colt Single Action sixgun! Used for self defense since 1873.

Yeah and if you don't believe it, ask them

Gary Reeder
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Sunday, March 03, 2024, 18:43 (55 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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Color me old..... 44 Special made by long

JFS
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 18:23 (54 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

[image]gone east coast gunsmith Austin Behlert

I have a 6-1/2” M624. It’s so perfect and accurate

WB
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 21:13 (54 days ago) @ JFS

I feel it would really be a serious violation and somehow upset the balance of all natural order to modify it. Really. I still wish for a 4” version, not a long cyl. Magnum, but a purpose built, tapered barrel, Special. I wish they matted the top strap akin to the M27. That would have been too much. Later I found that my 624 is factory drilled and tapped under the rear sight for scope mounting! Not that I was inclined, but that’s $25+ a hole! Nice.

1: If I want to know anything

IC
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Sunday, March 03, 2024, 18:41 (55 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

about the guns on that list, I'll ask the experts on here. 2: I really don't care about the list.

Amen Irv

Gary Reeder
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Sunday, March 03, 2024, 18:43 (55 days ago) @ IC

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I'm with Irv!

Jim Taylor
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Sunday, March 03, 2024, 19:25 (55 days ago) @ IC

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Found this picture of the “experts”

SPB
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Sunday, March 03, 2024, 19:09 (55 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Wow! Their twins are running the government!

Jim Taylor
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Sunday, March 03, 2024, 19:10 (55 days ago) @ SPB

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Well played Jim!

SPB
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Sunday, March 03, 2024, 19:17 (55 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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Any of those are better than no gun.

Tim Pence
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 06:30 (55 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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TRUE! That is wisdom.

Jim Taylor
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 07:31 (54 days ago) @ Tim Pence

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IN TODAY'S WORLD

JT
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 07:42 (54 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Anyone with a video camera and/or a computer is an expert

What a fun list. All lists are good for speculation.

WB
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 09:57 (54 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

There are some folks that know absolutely nothing about firearms but now are interested in learning and becoming new gun owners. That's not a bad thing. If they printed off that list and went to the gun store, and drew a good dealer, it would get them off to a fair start.

Budgeting plays a large part too. I see no Taurus G series mentioned, that would have been a nice addition for those on a tight budget. I am a very, very poor example of someone to mimic as to selections. When my wife wanted a personal semi-auto I backed totally off, found a female dealer for her, and told her to get whatever she wanted. I was totally out of the picture and price (excluding Korth's etc) was up to her, no guilt. She picked a SIG 365X. Her hand strength for racking the slide was a factor as well as ergonomics. She found the S&W EZ-rack models unappealing and too complex with the grip safety's. Sorry S&W!

On the list of (14) I find I have six of them. Completely by happenstance. The G19, well actually a G23 (.40 S&W) I converted to 9mm with a new barrel. I actually prefer using .40 cal. mags for 9mm as the round rides higher and feeds more reliable with blunt nose, large meplat bullets. Also I have a .357 SIG barrel for it. Soulless, but it works every time and I found ways to make it interesting.

No flies on the 15-shot G19.
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SIG 320, for a non-Glock it's OK. I do not like the rear sight but it's made to take off and use optics anyway. I have the 320X-Carry. But the grip (17-shot) was to long and hit stuff. I got a Wilson module, still too long, and milled it off in my shop, only about 1/4" but boy did it make a difference. I use (15 shot) mags that fit flush and the original 17-shot for recharges. Wilson module is smaller and grippier. I don't seem to shoot it much better than my G19/23 though.

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We have kept Beretta 92/96 for years. EVERYONE in the family shoots the 92 well and likes it. So I just keep it around. We have the 92A1 version with a rail, dovetail front sight, it's not bad. It's huge, but light, accurate, and shoots like a .22. (Look away Irv!) I can't find any pics of mine anyway. Here's Doug's, someplace far away, I think the pic is OK. Is that a REEDER slide holster on the other side of the world?!

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Who can resist the J S&W. It is just better than copies too. Rossi, Taurus, Ruger SP, they all are close but the S&W is superior to me. My wife's actual favored carry piece. I also have a M63 Kit gun I'd never part with.

That's the 7-shot PM9 I sold, next to D.'s .38.
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The 1911, how many do YOU have?! I have pared down to "just" (2) but I have hald a dozen other .45 ACP guns. My big son has (2), even my youngest son got a Springfield M1911A1 for his 16th birthday. You got to have some of those.

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G30s and PM45 "other" .45's.
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The Kahr is a very electric taste. I'd sure not suggest it for just anyone. It's a DA only gun, not trigger safety type, a real DA pull like a revolver. It is striker fired but a cammed trigger system that is consistent totally from beginning to end, I like it. I liken it to a semi-auto form of revolver that has been "flattened" for carry. The CW models are cheaper and have conventional rifled barrels that are great for cast bullet shooting. The fancier "P", "PM". and "K" or "MK" versions all sport Lothar Walther barrels and use polygonal rifling that is best with jacketed bullets. But literally Kahr makes the smallest and most powerful standard production line of semi-autos around. They are accurate too! IF you are. I have the P380, but it's the smallest, lightest, that has REAL sights with a locked breach action I know of. Sold my PM9 and kept the PM40 and PM45. The PM45 I find fantastic, I load 6 rounds and keep a 1911 "military spec" 8-shot mag as back up. I also found 230 gr. ball ammo seems to be best. Not many JHP expand reliably from a 3.5" barrel so I just run ball. The 185's do shoot sweet from the PM45 though.

I still have the .357 too. It is a brick. From left - PM45, P40, PM9, and P380.
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The others on the list are quality firearms and just subject to personal taste. As mentioned not a bad list to start with.

For Jim, a couple of my carry SA guns...
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Nice .. especially the last two.

Jim Taylor
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 10:50 (54 days ago) @ WB

I was in the Army when they trasitioned

IC
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 12:40 (54 days ago) @ WB

from the 1911 to the 92. I shot expert with both of them. To me, the 92 is a large heavy gun for the 9mm and I never cared for it. I have several 1911 guns and 5 shot Smiths. As far as taking the list to a gun shop, great if you have a decent one around. I do not. I'm old school and it works for me. As they say on here "Your mileage may vary".

We are blessed with a couple really good gunstores

WB
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 15:46 (54 days ago) @ IC

There are several pawn shops too for a mixed bag of "what came in this week".

Guns Plus is operated by a very nice lady who was formerly in the business and marketing field. Her husband ran this gunshop in his semi-retirement. He had a heart attack and died. She decided to run the shop herself as she had a strong business background. Luckily she hired on a true local expert and historian, Vietnam Vet too. Together they make a really nice experience and the lady can help out lady shooters as well, from their own unique perspective.

The other is Ozark Outfitters, part of a large local conglomerate. I went to high school with the owner. They have (4-6 brand lines) motorcycles, ATV's, used bikes, boats and RV's. Besides the guns and such. He has multiple locations in a couple states too. They too have some good local guys that are really nice and gun savvy.

It's still a small town setting. Everyone knows everyone, in a town of 25k or so that is probably pretty rare. From black powder to competition long range customs you can about find it here. There are some wheelgun nuts, and I'm one, but we seem to be outnumbered these days.

The Beretta is HUGE, even for a high capacity 9mm, but without the mag, slide open, it is just a big empty hole. Not that much steel it seems. Flimsy slide and barrel assy. is about it. I cannot understand why but from 6 yrs. old shooters to little ladies, everyone around here loves the M92. The modern versions of it are pretty snazzed up with modded ergonomics, optic sight plates, threaded barrels, rails, they have done an amazing job of keeping a 1950's design going. It's sort of a double-wide Helwan to me. It always pointed good.

Have not heard "Helwan" mentioned in a long time

JFS
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 18:17 (54 days ago) @ WB

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Nice inexpensive guns back in the day.

WB
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Monday, March 04, 2024, 20:43 (54 days ago) @ JFS

I unfortunately found their limits with some import sub-machine gun ball ammo. It felt like shooting a .357 with 125 gr. JHP. Big fire! Until the ears broke off the locking block. The frame was ok (steel anyway) so just the steel ears broke. Navy Arms was a top rate outfit in my book. They got me running mining again with little fuss.

Later I was able to score and Italian version, ex-police.

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