LIKE CLASSIC LEVERGUNS?

JT
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Monday, August 01, 2022, 07:03 (18 days ago)

BRIAN PEARCE, MIKE VENTURINO AND I ALL HAVE ARTICLES ON THE CLASSICS THIS MONTH.

One of the Classics you rarely hear about

WB
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Monday, August 01, 2022, 09:11 (18 days ago) @ JT

is the 1895 Winchester. While not thought of as a "Western" or "Cowboy" gun they were historically significant. They were used significantly in Africa, by more than the Teddy Expedition, as well as Osa and Martin Johnson up in the 20's and 30's. I saw reference to documented use in South America (the 1892 was always popular there too) as well as several early Artic expeditions.

The calibers I saw most referenced were the .405 (a literal cannon in the day by domestic sporting standards), .35 Winchester, and .38-72 (Unknown Grandaddy of Gary's .378 GNR). Perry also used the 1892 as did Josephine Perry (I think) the first woman Arctic Explorer of note.

https://arcticcollections.bowdoin.edu/objects-1/info/15600?sort=0

https://hackaday.com/2019/10/29/josephine-peary-first-lady-of-the-arctic/

It's interesting that Winchester lever guns were a mainstay of early exploring. I've read of some Savage 1899's (terribly ignored as "classic" leverguns) being used too.

Looking forward to the articles.

MINE IS .30-40 KRAG

JT
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Monday, August 01, 2022, 10:13 (18 days ago) @ WB

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On many expeditions you see the 1895 Win listed as .30 cal.

WB
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Monday, August 01, 2022, 10:30 (18 days ago) @ JT

Of course that can be .30 Govt. (.30/40) or .30-03 (1903) or .30-06! What did Kermit Roosevelt use in Africa?

Roosevelt brought a 1903 Springfield in 30-03.

Gary Reeder
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Monday, August 01, 2022, 12:01 (18 days ago) @ WB

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What were the differences, RN bullet of the .30/40?

WB
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Monday, August 01, 2022, 13:35 (18 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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the 30-40 was rimmed and was known to cause some feeding

Gary Reeder
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Monday, August 01, 2022, 14:16 (18 days ago) @ WB

issues in a few instances. The 03 was rimless and ran about 100 FPS faster. A couple of years later the 06 was developed with a lighter faster pointed bullet and rimless. The 30-06 made all other cartridges obsolete.

.30-06-an old outdated cartridge that is never a bad choice.

Jim Taylor
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Tuesday, August 02, 2022, 08:27 (17 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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Elmer said it was too weak for elk.

WB
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Tuesday, August 02, 2022, 10:06 (17 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

But then again it was the 1920’s and he was using 220 gr. RN FMJ. Maybe Elk were tougher back then. Bob Denning thinks the .44 Mag. Revolver is sketchy for Bison. Just ask him about that, lol.

Not all of Elmer's opinions were perfect

IC
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Tuesday, August 02, 2022, 11:55 (17 days ago) @ WB

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I guess all the bull elk, Watusi bulls, Bison bulls, Yak

Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, August 02, 2022, 14:32 (17 days ago) @ WB

bulls, and others that I can't remember right now that were killed with one round of 41 GNR each were just a fig newton of my imagination. If my 41 GNR can do this then I am sure a 44 Magnum with proper bullet placement can do the same thing. A few months ago I took huge Cape Buffalo bull in Africa with 2 rounds of hot 45 Long Colt out of a revolver and with a lot of witnesses. It is all in bullet placement. .

THE MOST IMPORTANT THREE ARE

JT
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Saturday, August 06, 2022, 07:13 (13 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

1) BULLET PLACEMENT; 2)BULLET PLACEMENT; 3)BULLET PLACEMENT.

As is mine

IC
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Monday, August 01, 2022, 13:53 (18 days ago) @ JT

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