Home Defense Shotgun. To me, this makes more sense...

Huey
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 11:44 (12 days ago)

Than an AR-15. Never really considered anything besides a pistol. But, these days things are changing.

Guess this is one area that my Ruger #1s loose ground.

Nice thing about those is that you dont even have to show it

Amede
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 11:52 (12 days ago) @ Huey

typically the sound of working that action will give people pause.

Yes .... but also give your position away

Bucky
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:33 (12 days ago) @ Amede

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Yeah, not exactly the idle threat kind either...

Huey
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:37 (12 days ago) @ Bucky

Do understand what Amede is saying. But, agree stealth is best until it's no longer necessary. A "fair fight" is not a term I've ever understood. Invade my space a "fair" is irrelevant.

The only time I'm going to pump it is to reload ..

Jim Taylor
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:39 (12 days ago) @ Huey

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Agreed...

Huey
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:41 (12 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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Shotgun and Pistol

Alcorn
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 15:34 (12 days ago) @ Huey

First off I live at the end of a dead in road. the other end of the road (2.5 miles) is my cousin and his 30 carbine. My 12 gauge is loaded with 1 3/8oz copper coated #2 in a 23/4 hull. I have killed many geese and turkeys with this load. Very deadly up to 40 yards. I have 2 government models loaded. If there are less than 21 assailants they die. More than 21 I am in trouble.

Defense

Rw
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 18:22 (12 days ago) @ Amede

1911 45 on night table,20 gauge in 2 locations,44 in another location 380 and 22 revolver last ditch

the bad part of a shotgun is the recoil for a lady or small

Gary Reeder
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:16 (12 days ago) @ Huey

statured man could be a problem. That alone will probably slow down a second shot. Also at a living room distance, say 20 feet, a 12 gauge shotgun pellet load will be in one small 6 or 7" clump and missing the bad guy is very likely. At that range it more than likely won't spread to any extent. When we test fire shotguns that we work on, at 17 yards the pattern is less than a foot in diameter. So a total miss or just some periphery hits are very possible.

The one I bought weighs 6.4 lbs and kicks...

Huey
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:21 (12 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Like a mule. Didn't bother me, but as you say, a female wouldn't like it.

Guess depends on the definition of home defense on the other. Realize the manufacturer means inside, but more likely would be around the home defense for me. Actually, more of a back seat of the F-150 gun.

Inside my house, a handgun 100% of the time. Much more a natural feeling to me with a pistol in hand.

It took a bit of searching but I eventually found

JT
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:36 (12 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Two shotguns which would be easier for Diamond Dot to handle. The first one was a savage/Stephen/Fox double-barreled 20gauge and the next one was a Remington 870 20gauge with a shorter barrel specifically designed for shooting slugs. Now in the twilight of my years I won't pick up a 12gauge but I can still handle these 20 gauges.

I bought the EAA Churchill 612, formally the CZ 612...

Huey
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 12:41 (12 days ago) @ JT

A Turkish 870 Clone with an aluminum receiver. It's chambered for 2 3/4" or 3". After shooting it a bit, I decided 2 3/4" was plenty for me. Do realize in a defense situation you'd never feel the recoil. But, on the range you feel every shot.

Yes, but that "less than a foot in diameter"

TM
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 13:06 (12 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

is still a whole lot bigger than a single projectile from a rifle or handgun.

with an AR-15 which I recommend to ladies they have

Gary Reeder
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 13:20 (12 days ago) @ TM

a lot more than one shot. And with no recoil they can sort of "spray & pray" in the dark if they know a bad guy is in there with them.

Completely agree with matching situation to gun...

Huey
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 13:58 (12 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

It's not always as easy as you'd think either. I've spent 45+ years hunting and target shooting, etc.

But, the World has changed. Figure either we gotta change with it or not last long.

but who said anything about only shooting 1 shot with the AR

charlie A.
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 13:52 (12 days ago) @ TM

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The benefit of a pistol is it's easier to keep from getting

WB
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 13:13 (12 days ago) @ Huey

grabbed away in close quarters. You can keep it close to the body. But you live out kind of like me and a shotgun has it's place on the ranch. I could not find buckshot at affordable prices so I bought some magnum #4's. The 870 would fill the bill, I have a Mossberg too. MY daughter has a 19" Stevens 20 double with 3" shells that equal a 2-3/4" 12 load.

The new small defense hip shooting shotguns are a new element and with buckshot each shot is about like a burst from a European sub-gun. (#4 is .13 cal. and there are 135 to the ounce) It's a personal choice and a man's own hide. Pick your poison.

We used to keep a single shot .410 around for Ranch use. Things have changed.

I bought (2) 25 round boxes of Estate 00 Buckshot...

Huey
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 13:29 (12 days ago) @ WB

With the gun. I figure Estate Brand as good as any. Was well under $1 per round. The shotgun and 50 rounds of OO Buckshot was under $250 OTD. Seemed a good deal for around the house or truck gun.

Very good deal!

Derek
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 16:34 (12 days ago) @ Huey

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I'm not a 00buck shooter for a house gun.

Darryl T.
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 15:15 (12 days ago) @ Huey

Nothing larger than #4 buck. #7 is more than ideal. No penetration issues, plenty of pellets. Imagine the damages of #7 at 20'.

Paul Harrell birdshot test

Derek
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 16:11 (12 days ago) @ Huey

Have 2 shotguns for this

Derek
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 16:43 (12 days ago) @ Huey

One Mossberg 500, one Hr single Shot both with 18 inch barrels. Mossberg not that bad with 00 buck but its a whole different story with that single shot! Better hang on! Sure is handy though!

My home defense shotgun is

Lonnie
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Friday, July 31, 2020, 19:40 (12 days ago) @ Huey

a Mossberg 590 loaded with #4 Buckshot. At the distances inside my house, it’s a highly effective mush maker. Seems to be the round of choice with law enforcement around the country for a reason.... and it’s had a good reputation for ending fights. I would guess the majority of us Misfits also have rifles and handguns within reach as well. As much as I love my Lightweight Commander in .45 ACP, my home defense handgun is a Glock 19......double the capacity, accurate, and exceptionally reliable. It is option #3. The AR-15 and Mossberg are the primary options. My dad kept a short barreled Model 12 loaded with 1 7/8 ounces of BB shot as our farm house gun and a model 94 in .30-30 as the farm defense rifle. I really couldn’t find fault with his reasoning.

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