Small and medium autos...

WB
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Tuesday, August 26, 2025, 10:36 (16 days ago)

Things are very different today than the 1970's. Today we have .45 ACP's the size of .380's produced back then, and .380's the size of minimal .25's of that day. Good times for carry weapons, and that is what they are last ditch defensive tools.

I saw a retired military specialist that gave some very real clear talk concerning road rage incidents. It's subjective but he made a point "you are not going to hop out of your vehicle and murder someone for busting your windshield". You shouldn't at least! But at what point are you subject to real impending harm yourself? Scaring someone for fear of their life (breaking your windshield in a rage) is a felony, as is mostly, damages over $1000 in value. So is killing YOU! It gets murky. You can't kill someone for being a crazy a-hole (without ramifications). But having SOMETHING besides sharp fingernails is paramount, plus some foundational training. I remember in state CCL class a red faced farmer dealing with the information he had to watch people steal his property, while awaiting police. He could not legally produce a firearm unless they exhibited deadly intent. To do so would make HIM a felon! Pocket guns have their place.

Researching .380 ACP lately I was surprised how much extra stress on old designs were imparted. Old platforms that originally were designed for 7.65mm (.32 Auto) were cracking frames and slides when upped to .380 Browning. The excellent Mauser HSc was one, even the Walther's were suddenly terrible hand biters. Loading the .380 one finds out quickly that you are basically locked into a 90-100 gr. stubby projectile at a nominal velocity. You can do wild diversions, but you find yourself in reality, off course in the grass. Still it's tempting to try to find something overlooked by others, to no avail. But, there are some fantastic modern guns designed around the .380 or actually down powdered 9mm Luger guns, effectively modded to shoot .380. These promise less recoil and enhanced controllability.

In reality the often overlooked .32 from 1900 might still be superior. A sobering reality is your objective, poke a hole clean through and straight. I think the .30 cal. might be better. Handloading I can see much superior gains. I made some of my own modded designs and used .30 Carbine cast projectiles to great effect and gains in performance. A flat point gas checked 113 gr. was one notable effort near 1000 fps in a 3.5-4" gun. Plus they shoot out of a .32 Long revolver!

It's pretty wild to consider that in the last 100 years, many military fellows were armed with .25 and .32 cal. sidearms. I'm certain that many hapless folks met their demise with point blank applications. I think a 100 gr. .30 cal. would have far superior penetration than a stubby .35 of the same weight. However, I'd certainly not relish a charging fanatic with anything less than a .308 or suitable shotgun with buckshot. It depends a lot if the ill intent involves explosives or long knives!

My family never goes anywhere anymore without being self defended. That can be on differing levels depending on circumstances. Stepping out to feed livestock is different from running down to the local Dollar General, or traveling to Little Rock. There is a sound argument to have the same familiar armament no matter, I get that. But it's an individual thing, it's your skin.

J frame is my choice to solve most suburban problems

Dave H.
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Tuesday, August 26, 2025, 14:01 (16 days ago) @ WB

Yes, things are very different today than the 70s or 80s.

I personally never leave my house at less than condition yellow, and because I live in suburbia (more rural than urban), I feel completely at ease with my 6-shot Colt Agent that is approaching 40 years of age. If I make a poor decision that puts me in a situation where 5(6) rounds of standard-pressure 38 Special don't do the trick, then I am really up the proverbial creek with no paddle and a rapidly sinking canoe...

Urban carry is more often than not my Glock 19 and off the beaten path, a Glock 22.

No one in my family goes anywhere without some means of self-protection anymore. Things started to get real weird with the China-flu and frankly I've never felt the same again about people and out-in-public in general.

Dave, I also have a similar gun to your

james
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Wednesday, August 27, 2025, 20:49 (14 days ago) @ Dave H.

Colt with that being a Cobra. Super light carry gun.... But when going out in the summer I will carry one of two others. Either a S&W J frame 3' barrel in 38 Special or a Sig P-230 in 380. When wearing shorts and a tee shirt it can be a bit difficult to conceal. When the weather cools off I`ll turn to a Colt Defender in 45acp.... The Sig 380 is the bottom left in photo while the Colt Defender is bottom right....[image]

Really like your 439…I have a 459

drdougrx
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Thursday, August 28, 2025, 05:00 (14 days ago) @ james

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How do you like that 230? I can’t seem to

WB
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Thursday, August 28, 2025, 07:00 (14 days ago) @ james

Figuratively pull the trigger to buy a Walther (a better .32 than .380) but the Sig was built around the .380. It looks very pleasing as a well made handgun for what it is. I like the simplicity in design as well. Some Yah-hoo is marketing a .22 version of it under the Mauser banner. If they ad left off the safety on the .22 I’d like it.

The 232 has much better sights but looks less refined to me. I like old school.

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