Reeder Custom Guns - 45acp flat points for SD? Thoughts?

A few weeks ago WB brought up a discussion about using FP bullets for SD. I’m curious, I’ve been using HSTs in my shield. A few weeks ago I saw a video and several others after showing HSTs with great expansion but not a lot of penetration. I also saw that 185gr +p rem golden sabres penetrate really well and expand…but… would a 200 or 230gr FP at 900 be a better all around choice??

Just thinking about changing out my carry ammo… thoughts??

and usually have that for at least my first shot when carrying. I use the 230 gr. flat point.

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Talking with guys who were in SOG or other black ops type work, they have all said that the #1 thing they required from their firearms was Reliability. The second thing I was told was they wanted complete penetration no matter the angle of the shot.

factory ammo for self defense. That being said I agree that the flat point or even fmj will penetrate better
, especially thru heavy clothing which is what, will probably encountered here in a colder climate. The factory ammo is to cover what can be argued in court, that a handload is a cop killer design. LOL

From the Texas law point of view, if you have been forced to use your firearm to defend yourself, others, or property, usually the ammunition used will not be the main focus of the legal inquiry. Generally, the focus is instead on the circumstances and facts surrounding “why” you had to fire your gun in the first place: that is, was deadly force immediately necessary to defend yourself from death and serious bodily injury?

If you have been forced into the court system after you have used your gun and are relying on a justification defense, such as self-defense, a prosecuting attorney may attempt to argue that, because you used a certain ammunition, that you were looking for trouble. However, a competent defense attorney should be able to explain that a gun is just a tool, and you simply used the best tool to defend yourself. We recommend you use the best ammunition that you believe will protect you, period.

Ammunition is nothing more than a means to an end of safety, merely a tool; so use the best legally available resources you can find for your situation.

was an issue. And that includes handloads. I've researched nationwide. Still looking for that mythical case. I don't believe it to exist.

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He was interviewing an aged SOG Vietnam team leader. Really hardened old guy who rode the river. One segment about sidearms; he carried the .45 1911 at first, but noted its weight. He did mention “boy that really put a man down” 230 ball I assume. He also mentioned carrying the Hi-power with its notable increase in capacity. Due to his unique type of deployment what he favored most was a suppressed High-standard .22 LR! Head shots!

Back to the .45, if ball, 230 RN at 800 fps works well enough, why not the lighter target ammo at 900-1000 fps? Blake jacked up a special prepped .45 super with Norma 200 gr. FMJ Target bullet at 1400 fps. Shot a Javalina, I think it went all the way across the little tough critter to lodge under the off skin. The bullet was flat as a coin! I thought that was interesting. I bet at lower speed it would have fully penetrated.

I often find .38’s and .40 cast bullets deep into my sand drums. But high power magnums torn up at the front. It’s the poking a rod through sand vs punching it. Once my son and I discovered a .17HMR would not penetrate a water filled 2-liter bottle at 25 yds, but would easily at 100 yds. Only difference was the bullet at 25 yds. was traveling 2550 fps, at 100 yds. It slowed to 2150. Interesting!

penetrating flesh mass will beat velocity unless it is pretty high ... and IF the bullet will hold together. Remember the lessons learned in Africa on stuff that will eat you or stomp you into a little red mud puddle.

It was well passe’ by the time I started reading magazines. I know the British used 200 gr. In .38 S&W. I loaded some myself in .38 Special. Goodness to they recoil at 600-700 fps in a snubby! It was the 200 gr. “Police Load”.

too heavy for the pressure and velocity limits of the gun.

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I was able to push it to 1350 fps from a 4" 686 safely using Lil'gun! A friend took one hog hunting using a 2x scoped rig. He saved the day shooting wounded hogs for bow-hunters armed with 9mm and .40 cal. semi-autos. The .357 loaded with WFNGC cast 180's would swiss-cheese 250 lb. hogs. It surprised me.

I watched the 4 hour interview. Amazing guy.

that Col. Cooper liked. A 215 grain SWC as I think it was backed by 7.2 grains Unique? That load ought to clock close to 1000fps I bet. A 45 suffers from people not thinking about it outside the "old norms," of what they believed it to be, I run a 250gr +P in some of my 1911s. That's the equivalent of a 45 Colt load. Yes, 22lb recoil spring.

does 1034 out of my 1911.

I saw how the riots were unfolding and decided to get FP for possible barrier penetration. Typically, either Hornady 220 +P or a 250gr +P handload. Full size 1911 for those. Jeff Cooper advocated for a FP bullet, as I recall, 230 grains I believe it was.

and I found my 1911 would happily feed them. Being slick and cast the velocity could be upped a bit without much pressure worries. It smacked pretty good.

A Cop would likely frown at a guy toting around FMJ's but not give a thought on lead bullets of any type. Realistically, performance wise, about the same thing.

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