Awhile back I ran across a deal on Small Pistol Primers

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, August 28, 2024, 08:54 (650 days ago)

They were a little less than $60 a thousand which these days is a pretty good deal. They were made in Argentina but I decided to take a chance on them. After getting them I figured it would be a good idea to get some kind of comparison to US-made primers so I decided to test them against Federal Small Magnum Pistol primers.

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My test was to fire loads with no powder and see how the primers performed. I decided to use the Saeco 158 gr. SWC and a .375" ball. The SWC would be loaded with no crimp and with a crimp. I set up 8 sections of cardboard as a backstop.

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The test would be fired with my S&W Model 340 that has a 1.75" barrel.

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Measurements would be with my Browne and Sharp calipers.

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I loaded the Argentine primed, uncrimped load and from a distance of about 6" to the cardboard I pulled the trigger, resulting in a loud POP but nothing exiting the barrel. Then I measured where the bullet stopped in the bore. I apologize for the unfocused photo. I did not pay attention to the camera in my haste.

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1.75" minus .78 equals .97" down the bore.

I shoved the bullet out of the bore with a brass rod.

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Next I loaded the crimped round. When I pulled the trigger all I got was the CLICK of the hammer dropping. I pulled the cartridge and found the bullet still crimped in place.

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Pulling the bullet showed the primer had fired.

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Next I loaded the round ball load and about 6" from the cardboard I pulled the trigger. At the shot the ball hit the cardboard and bounced back onto the floor.

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The cardboard had a small dent.

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I then took the loads with the Federal Small Magnum pistol primers and tried them. The first was the 158 gr. Saeco SWC uncrimped. It popped the bullet down the bore.

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1.75" minus 1.02" equals .73"

After getting the bullet out of the barrel I tried the crimped bullet load and had the same results as the first. The bullet did not move. Then I loaded the .375" round ball load. At the shot nothing came out of the barrel. I opened the cylinder and found the ball in the end of the chamber.

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To make sure I fired on more. This one popped the ball just past the forcing cone.

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To keep things equal I fired one more ball load using the Argentine primers. This load popped the ball almost to the end of the bore.

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Chronographing would tell more but for my purposes this was enough. I am loading a standard .38 Special load of 3.0 grains of Bullseye and these primers will do just fine.

I always admire you sense of curiosity, gone awry.

WB
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Wednesday, August 28, 2024, 19:28 (649 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

I was in school this week. One class was a FBI agent from the cyber division. Seems utilities are potential targets at the moment.

My mind wandered to the need to investigate that 1 turn in 3 inches twist thing. For some reason it penetrates way more than it should and creates a devastating channel even subsonic. Jacketed bullets come apart, but plastic coated hard cast….. someone needs to see. I’ll need at least (3) HP pins as well.

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Anybody have any idea what WB just said?

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, August 29, 2024, 11:04 (648 days ago) @ WB

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Someone has taken to experimenting with

WB
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Thursday, August 29, 2024, 14:38 (648 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

unusual fast rifling twists for primarily subsonic applications. Your old bud JD did so much work for low volume sub-gun calibers and collaborated some trying to fabricate a sub projectile that would do some damage. Some success has been made with expanding solid metal bullets with pre-fragmented sections.

But just lately someone figured that spinning the bullet crazy fast would make it not only penetrate like a drill bit, but create a heck of a wound too. All this with low forward velocity, but spinning at a crazy rpm. The new .338 cal on the shortened .308 size case (6.5 CM actually) has a rate of twist of one turn in three inches. That's CRAZY! But there is something valid with the physics. Compare a relatively heavy and long 300 gr. bullet at 1050 fps, spinning literally 500,000 rpm, to a .308 Win. at 2600 turning only 156,000 rpm (1:12" twist).

Some strange stuff being toyed with...

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